tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post4671000909933402117..comments2023-09-17T06:54:58.718-07:00Comments on Daughters in the Parsha: I'll Assume They are Ignorant....daughtersintheparshahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17727740238002109141noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-31003252868303379682014-01-21T13:38:56.309-08:002014-01-21T13:38:56.309-08:00Halachic analysis:
http://bdld.info/2014/01/21/if...Halachic analysis:<br /><br />http://bdld.info/2014/01/21/if-they-are-not-prophets-they-are-the-sons-of-prophets/Yitzhakhttp://bdld.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-56010105460989403362013-12-31T02:38:39.542-08:002013-12-31T02:38:39.542-08:00Princess Lea you are correct, besides for one thin...Princess Lea you are correct, besides for one thing. There is a big difference if, in fact, kiddushin has taken place.<br />If the couple end up breaking their engagement- the girl needs a get. Kailanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-4490795977801699972013-12-10T06:49:59.423-08:002013-12-10T06:49:59.423-08:00There is nothing inherently special about the ring...There is nothing inherently special about the ring itself. Kiddushin can be made with any object, even a teddy bear. Or, with a staff and cloak, like by Yehuda and Tamar. That would mean any guy who bought a girl a gift and gave it to her in front of two people was executing kiddushin, and no rabbi would say that it so. <br /><br />There is also intent. If he is not intending kiddushin, and does not utter "Harei at," it isn't kiddushin. <br /><br />However, kiddushin and nisuin, once upon a time, was not done at the same time. There would be kiddushin, the official betrothal, and following a year, there would be nisuin. So even if hypothetically a proposal with a gift and witnesses was kiddushin (do you have a source for that?) they are getting married anyway. <br /><br />I do concur that there is a lack in feinkeit when a private matter, such as two people committing to each other, has an audience. We have no photographs of my siblings' proposals, and I like it that way. Princess Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17217157534383672867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-75427778584325639882013-12-10T05:40:05.465-08:002013-12-10T05:40:05.465-08:00It actually isn't kiddushin. You need two witn...It actually isn't kiddushin. You need two witnesses, and intent to create a kinyan of kiddushin by giving a ring. <br /><br />Nevertheless,I do think you make some very good points. I am also amazed how the idea of privacy and tznius is being eroded by technology AND the need to be acknowledged, rated, commented on, 'liked', retweeted and 'viewed'. I guess since almost everything these days is 'shared' on FB, Twitter, Instagram etc why not marriage proposals.<br /><br />Seems that posting online today, is the same as what used to pass for personal conversation, back before days of the internet.<br /><br />Dovidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-72927117855954204392013-12-09T20:30:36.370-08:002013-12-09T20:30:36.370-08:00This isn't a cultural issue: halachically when...This isn't a cultural issue: halachically when you give the girl a ring with intent to marry/a proposal, it is kiddushindaughtersintheparshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727740238002109141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-22441835571837122392013-12-09T20:30:19.031-08:002013-12-09T20:30:19.031-08:00This isn't a cultural issue: halachically when...This isn't a cultural issue: halachically when you give the girl a ring with intent to marry/a proposal, it is kiddushindaughtersintheparshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727740238002109141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8309676664712769060.post-75757769977091134152013-12-09T17:04:16.121-08:002013-12-09T17:04:16.121-08:00I don't think you are married if you give a gi...I don't think you are married if you give a girl a ring when in the cultural context, giving a ring after saying "Will you marry me?" is widely understood to be a propsal to be engaged, not married.<br /><br />I agree with 100% on the privacy issue. I agree that people seem to have lost their sense of privacy/modesty.Yehudahnoreply@blogger.com